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Which Republican do you think should run for President in 2012?

It appears that the four front-runners are Palin, Romney, Huckabee, and Gingrich. I love Palin, but she may be too polarizing. Romney has a failed "RomneyCare" program as Governor of Massachusetts. Huckabee raised taxes and commuted a prisoner's sentence who ended up committing murder. Gingrich had an affair. Nobody is perfect. What do y'all think?

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Permalink Reply by Shane Rone on January 26, 2011 at 1:20pm

When did I mention the Enlightenment? Don't jump to conclusions. Did you that the Founding Fathers were also influenced by the pagan Ancient Greeks and Romans?http://21stcenturycicero.wordpress.com/tyrrany/the-founding-fathers... You don't believe the government should involve itself in health care but you don't care if the government dictates who we can and can't marry. Just admit it, you believe in theocracy.

 

"It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God."-Thomas Jefferson

 

"In no instance have... the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people."-James Madison

 

"Power always thinks... that it is doing God's service when it is violating all his laws.'-John Adams


 




William Curtis ONeal said:

Ignorance is wide spread and you 2 nutjobs,  Shane and DAtsthetruth are concrete proof of that. Where are your facts? Come on show me the overwhelming facts that America is a product of the humanistic enlightenment ? You cant because it isnt true. There are occasional references from some of the founders to support your thesis but the vast and overwhelming body of the federal papers and State papers shout to heaven that America was founded a Christian nation!  I posted my facts and there is an inexhaustible number of documents going back to the earliest days of this nation as a colony and the early days of our  nation to clearly and resoundingly show America to be Created a uniquely Christian nation unlike any other  in the history of the world and you 2 cant gainsay it because the facts are not there to  bear you out!

Shane Rone said:
I couldn't have said it any better. You can't make people become Christians, salvation is a work of God, not Government. Of course Neocons often get God and Government confused. I'm against any action by the Government against or for religion of any kind.

ITZdaTRUTH said:

The unvarnished truth is that statist-conservatives pine a bit too much for theocracy for my taste.  The idea that, "
The government is to be the steward of God carrying out Gods commandments for the Godly and good of society like America had at its beginning," is not only historically flawed but downright repugnant to the very concept of a free and just society.  Anyone who seeks to live in a nation in which the government claims to be the stewerd of God's will, please do some research on "the Inquisition" or even "Saudi Arabia".  Here I read the ramblings of hyper-religious nut bags, extolling the virtues of religious dictatorship, just so long as it's their religion that's state-enshrined.

 

James Madison, Father of the Constitution: "Religious bondage shackles and debilitate­s the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise­."

 

But what did he know, that reasoned man of the Enlightenment?  So please, you self-proclaimed profits of iPatriot, peach to me about piousness and the need for a Government of Men to devine God's Will on Earth.  I'm all ears.

Permalink Reply by William Curtis ONeal on January 26, 2011 at 3:20pm

I am not harsh about homosexuals, I am truthful and accurate unlike yourself, I offer them real compasion by pointing out their need of a Savior whom we all need, rather than uphold them and wanting to legitimize their evil  ungodly, unnatural "lifestyle" leaving them no hope for real change! Many homososexuals have come out of their great darkness to believe in Jesus and live true, happy,fulfilled lives as men with loving wives and children as God intended! As to the International Bankers and Gary Allen. I read his books years ago and they were dead on! The InternationalBankers often finance both sides in a war! Thomas Jefferson said he feared bankers more then he feared a standing army! That comment by Jefferson was dead on! An excellent book I read many year ago by a Gary North, a Christian scholar, was called None Dare Call It Witchcraft and explains much of what is going on today. It is no longer in print however you can buy it at www.amazon.com to get a used copy for a few dollars. He has updated this book in a new book you can download called Unholy Spirits by Gary North. Go to www.entrewave.com/facebook/docs/21ea_47e.htm 

 

Permalink Reply by Wolfman Thomas on January 26, 2011 at 3:30pm
sodomites not the stolen word  gay don't push off your agenda on me

William Curtis ONeal said:

I am not harsh about homosexuals, I am truthful and accurate unlike yourself, I offer them real compasion by pointing out their need of a Savior whom we all need, rather than uphold them and wanting to legitimize their evil  ungodly, unnatural "lifestyle" leaving them no hope for real change! Many homososexuals have come out of their great darkness to believe in Jesus and live true, happy,fulfilled lives as men with loving wives and children as God intended! As to the International Bankers and Gary Allen. I read his books years ago and they were dead on! The InternationalBankers often finance both sides in a war! Thomas Jefferson said he feared bankers more then he feared a standing army! That comment by Jefferson was dead on! An excellent book I read many year ago by a Gary North, a Christian scholar, was called None Dare Call It Witchcraft and explains much of what is going on today. It is no longer in print however you can buy it at www.amazon.com to get a used copy for a few dollars. He has updated this book in a new book you can download called Unholy Spirits by Gary North. Go to www.entrewave.com/facebook/docs/21ea_47e.htm 

 

Permalink Reply by Wolfman Thomas on January 26, 2011 at 3:37pm
Donald Trump forPresident

William Curtis ONeal said:
Ignorance is wide spread and you 2 nutjobs,  Shane and DAtsthetruth are concrete proof of that. Where are your facts? Come on show me the overwhelming facts that America is a product of the humanistic enlightenment ? You cant because it isnt true. There are occasional references from some of the founders to support your thesis but the vast and overwhelming body of the federal papers and State papers shout to heaven that America was founded a Christian nation!  I posted my facts and there is an inexhaustible number of documents going back to the earliest days of this nation as a colony and the early days of our  nation to clearly and resoundingly show America to be Created a uniquely Christian nation unlike any other  in the history of the world and you 2 cant gainsay it because the facts are not there to  bear you out!

Shane Rone said:
I couldn't have said it any better. You can't make people become Christians, salvation is a work of God, not Government. Of course Neocons often get God and Government confused. I'm against any action by the Government against or for religion of any kind.

ITZdaTRUTH said:

The unvarnished truth is that statist-conservatives pine a bit too much for theocracy for my taste.  The idea that, "
The government is to be the steward of God carrying out Gods commandments for the Godly and good of society like America had at its beginning," is not only historically flawed but downright repugnant to the very concept of a free and just society.  Anyone who seeks to live in a nation in which the government claims to be the stewerd of God's will, please do some research on "the Inquisition" or even "Saudi Arabia".  Here I read the ramblings of hyper-religious nut bags, extolling the virtues of religious dictatorship, just so long as it's their religion that's state-enshrined.

 

James Madison, Father of the Constitution: "Religious bondage shackles and debilitate­s the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise­."

 

But what did he know, that reasoned man of the Enlightenment?  So please, you self-proclaimed profits of iPatriot, peach to me about piousness and the need for a Government of Men to devine God's Will on Earth.  I'm all ears.

Permalink Reply by William Curtis ONeal on January 26, 2011 at 3:42pm
You have no common sense and no brains! A man marrying a man! You are crazy as a loon! The very idea is insane and evil!!!You are making my point! The predominant influence of the Founder's was the Protestant Reformation and the major Theologian they were most heavily influenced by was John Calvin. The government acting as the Steward of God is to protect society so nuts like you dont legitimize legal homosexual unions! To deny the government from protecting itself against legalized sodomy would be national and societal suicidal and not acting as the Steward of God in protecting society by protecting the sacred union of one man, one woman period! When that sacred union is no longer sacred and you allow satan and his ilk, that means you, to change and broaden the definition of marrige to a man with a man, woman with a woman, man with a dog or whatever, you have destoyed that nation andt hat nation will be morally corrupt, judged by God and brought to a certain destruction like Sodom and Gommorah!!!When God is no longer the foundation of a society anything goes!!! There are no moral absolutes, no God to say what is right and wrong and idiots like you reason the way they do with situation ethics! You can believe what you want you TROLL. You are permanently out to lunch and have the mind, logic and reasoning of a moral degenerate! As for your few quotes they are nothing against the overwhelming body of papers from Colonial times from all 13 Colonies and the federalpapers and documents through the early years of the Republic to clearly extablish to any sane and rational personthat America was establishea Christian Republic,unique in all the history of the world!.

 

 




William Curtis ONeal said:

Ignorance is wide spread and you 2 nutjobs,  Shane and DAtsthetruth are concrete proof of that. Where are your facts? Come on show me the overwhelming facts that America is a product of the humanistic enlightenment ? You cant because it isnt true. There are occasional references from some of the founders to support your thesis but the vast and overwhelming body of the federal papers and State papers shout to heaven that America was founded a Christian nation!  I posted my facts and there is an inexhaustible number of documents going back to the earliest days of this nation as a colony and the early days of our  nation to clearly and resoundingly show America to be Created a uniquely Christian nation unlike any other  in the history of the world and you 2 cant gainsay it because the facts are not there to  bear you out!

Shane Rone said:
I couldn't have said it any better. You can't make people become Christians, salvation is a work of God, not Government. Of course Neocons often get God and Government confused. I'm against any action by the Government against or for religion of any kind.

ITZdaTRUTH said:

The unvarnished truth is that statist-conservatives pine a bit too much for theocracy for my taste.  The idea that, "
The government is to be the steward of God carrying out Gods commandments for the Godly and good of society like America had at its beginning," is not only historically flawed but downright repugnant to the very concept of a free and just society.  Anyone who seeks to live in a nation in which the government claims to be the stewerd of God's will, please do some research on "the Inquisition" or even "Saudi Arabia".  Here I read the ramblings of hyper-religious nut bags, extolling the virtues of religious dictatorship, just so long as it's their religion that's state-enshrined.

 

James Madison, Father of the Constitution: "Religious bondage shackles and debilitate­s the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise­."

 

But what did he know, that reasoned man of the Enlightenment?  So please, you self-proclaimed profits of iPatriot, peach to me about piousness and the need for a Government of Men to devine God's Will on Earth.  I'm all ears.

Permalink Reply by Wolfman Thomas on January 26, 2011 at 3:58pm


Wolfman Thomas said:
Donald Trump forPresident

William Curtis ONeal said:
Ignorance is wide spread and you 2 nutjobs,  Shane and DAtsthetruth are concrete proof of that. Where are your facts? Come on show me the overwhelming facts that America is a product of the humanistic enlightenment ? You cant because it isnt true. There are occasional references from some of the founders to support your thesis but the vast and overwhelming body of the federal papers and State papers shout to heaven that America was founded a Christian nation!  I posted my facts and there is an inexhaustible number of documents going back to the earliest days of this nation as a colony and the early days of our  nation to clearly and resoundingly show America to be Created a uniquely Christian nation unlike any other  in the history of the world and you 2 cant gainsay it because the facts are not there to  bear you out!

Shane Rone said:
I couldn't have said it any better. You can't make people become Christians, salvation is a work of God, not Government. Of course Neocons often get God and Government confused. I'm against any action by the Government against or for religion of any kind.

ITZdaTRUTH said:

The unvarnished truth is that statist-conservatives pine a bit too much for theocracy for my taste.  The idea that, "
The government is to be the steward of God carrying out Gods commandments for the Godly and good of society like America had at its beginning," is not only historically flawed but downright repugnant to the very concept of a free and just society.  Anyone who seeks to live in a nation in which the government claims to be the stewerd of God's will, please do some research on "the Inquisition" or even "Saudi Arabia".  Here I read the ramblings of hyper-religious nut bags, extolling the virtues of religious dictatorship, just so long as it's their religion that's state-enshrined.

 

James Madison, Father of the Constitution: "Religious bondage shackles and debilitate­s the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise­."

 

But what did he know, that reasoned man of the Enlightenment?  So please, you self-proclaimed profits of iPatriot, peach to me about piousness and the need for a Government of Men to devine God's Will on Earth.  I'm all ears.

Permalink Reply by Wolfman Thomas on January 26, 2011 at 4:07pm
nobody can run and beat Obama for president at this time as he has all the blacks, section 8 welfare and illegals, behind him.  Wakeup America
Permalink Reply by Shane Rone on January 26, 2011 at 4:14pm
Plus, he is moving to the center for election time, so he is impossible to beat unless something crazy happens.

Wolfman Thomas said:
nobody can run and beat Obama for president at this time as he has all the blacks, section 8 welfare and illegals, behind him.  Wakeup America
Permalink Reply by Shane Rone on January 26, 2011 at 4:29pm

If you really believe in the Constitution you will realize that according to the 10th Amendment, the Federal Government has no right to define marriage, it is left to the states to decide, and it should stay that way. If you want to continue this debate, send me a message, or write my profile, this is no place for this debate.

William Curtis ONeal said:

You have no common sense and no brains! A man marrying a man! You are crazy as a loon! The very idea is insane and evil!!!You are making my point! The predominant influence of the Founder's was the Protestant Reformation and the major Theologian they were most heavily influenced by was John Calvin. The government acting as the Steward of God is to protect society so nuts like you dont legitimize legal homosexual unions! To deny the government from protecting itself against legalized sodomy would be national and societal suicidal and not acting as the Steward of God in protecting society by protecting the sacred union of one man, one woman period! When that sacred union is no longer sacred and you allow satan and his ilk, that means you, to change and broaden the definition of marrige to a man with a man, woman with a woman, man with a dog or whatever, you have destoyed that nation andt hat nation will be morally corrupt, judged by God and brought to a certain destruction like Sodom and Gommorah!!!When God is no longer the foundation of a society anything goes!!! There are no moral absolutes, no God to say what is right and wrong and idiots like you reason the way they do with situation ethics! You can believe what you want you TROLL. You are permanently out to lunch and have the mind, logic and reasoning of a moral degenerate! As for your few quotes they are nothing against the overwhelming body of papers from Colonial times from all 13 Colonies and the federalpapers and documents through the early years of the Republic to clearly extablish to any sane and rational personthat America was establishea Christian Republic,unique in all the history of the world!.

 

 




William Curtis ONeal said:

Ignorance is wide spread and you 2 nutjobs,  Shane and DAtsthetruth are concrete proof of that. Where are your facts? Come on show me the overwhelming facts that America is a product of the humanistic enlightenment ? You cant because it isnt true. There are occasional references from some of the founders to support your thesis but the vast and overwhelming body of the federal papers and State papers shout to heaven that America was founded a Christian nation!  I posted my facts and there is an inexhaustible number of documents going back to the earliest days of this nation as a colony and the early days of our  nation to clearly and resoundingly show America to be Created a uniquely Christian nation unlike any other  in the history of the world and you 2 cant gainsay it because the facts are not there to  bear you out!

Shane Rone said:
I couldn't have said it any better. You can't make people become Christians, salvation is a work of God, not Government. Of course Neocons often get God and Government confused. I'm against any action by the Government against or for religion of any kind.

ITZdaTRUTH said:

The unvarnished truth is that statist-conservatives pine a bit too much for theocracy for my taste.  The idea that, "
The government is to be the steward of God carrying out Gods commandments for the Godly and good of society like America had at its beginning," is not only historically flawed but downright repugnant to the very concept of a free and just society.  Anyone who seeks to live in a nation in which the government claims to be the stewerd of God's will, please do some research on "the Inquisition" or even "Saudi Arabia".  Here I read the ramblings of hyper-religious nut bags, extolling the virtues of religious dictatorship, just so long as it's their religion that's state-enshrined.

 

James Madison, Father of the Constitution: "Religious bondage shackles and debilitate­s the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise­."

 

But what did he know, that reasoned man of the Enlightenment?  So please, you self-proclaimed profits of iPatriot, peach to me about piousness and the need for a Government of Men to devine God's Will on Earth.  I'm all ears.

Permalink Reply by William Curtis ONeal on January 26, 2011 at 4:34pm
I am not going to reason with an imbecile privately or publicly. Go somewhere else you idiot. You contribute nothing!

Shane Rone said:

If you really believe in the Constitution you will realize that according to the 10th Amendment, the Federal Government has no right to define marriage, it is left to the states to decide, and it should stay that way. If you want to continue this debate, send me a message, or write my profile, this is no place for this debate.

 

William Curtis ONeal said:

You have no common sense and no brains! A man marrying a man! You are crazy as a loon! The very idea is insane and evil!!!You are making my point! The predominant influence of the Founder's was the Protestant Reformation and the major Theologian they were most heavily influenced by was John Calvin. The government acting as the Steward of God is to protect society so nuts like you dont legitimize legal homosexual unions! To deny the government from protecting itself against legalized sodomy would be national and societal suicidal and not acting as the Steward of God in protecting society by protecting the sacred union of one man, one woman period! When that sacred union is no longer sacred and you allow satan and his ilk, that means you, to change and broaden the definition of marrige to a man with a man, woman with a woman, man with a dog or whatever, you have destoyed that nation andt hat nation will be morally corrupt, judged by God and brought to a certain destruction like Sodom and Gommorah!!!When God is no longer the foundation of a society anything goes!!! There are no moral absolutes, no God to say what is right and wrong and idiots like you reason the way they do with situation ethics! You can believe what you want you TROLL. You are permanently out to lunch and have the mind, logic and reasoning of a moral degenerate! As for your few quotes they are nothing against the overwhelming body of papers from Colonial times from all 13 Colonies and the federalpapers and documents through the early years of the Republic to clearly extablish to any sane and rational personthat America was establishea Christian Republic,unique in all the history of the world!.

 

 




William Curtis ONeal said:

Ignorance is wide spread and you 2 nutjobs,  Shane and DAtsthetruth are concrete proof of that. Where are your facts? Come on show me the overwhelming facts that America is a product of the humanistic enlightenment ? You cant because it isnt true. There are occasional references from some of the founders to support your thesis but the vast and overwhelming body of the federal papers and State papers shout to heaven that America was founded a Christian nation!  I posted my facts and there is an inexhaustible number of documents going back to the earliest days of this nation as a colony and the early days of our  nation to clearly and resoundingly show America to be Created a uniquely Christian nation unlike any other  in the history of the world and you 2 cant gainsay it because the facts are not there to  bear you out!

Shane Rone said:
I couldn't have said it any better. You can't make people become Christians, salvation is a work of God, not Government. Of course Neocons often get God and Government confused. I'm against any action by the Government against or for religion of any kind.

ITZdaTRUTH said:

The unvarnished truth is that statist-conservatives pine a bit too much for theocracy for my taste.  The idea that, "
The government is to be the steward of God carrying out Gods commandments for the Godly and good of society like America had at its beginning," is not only historically flawed but downright repugnant to the very concept of a free and just society.  Anyone who seeks to live in a nation in which the government claims to be the stewerd of God's will, please do some research on "the Inquisition" or even "Saudi Arabia".  Here I read the ramblings of hyper-religious nut bags, extolling the virtues of religious dictatorship, just so long as it's their religion that's state-enshrined.

 

James Madison, Father of the Constitution: "Religious bondage shackles and debilitate­s the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise­."

 

But what did he know, that reasoned man of the Enlightenment?  So please, you self-proclaimed profits of iPatriot, peach to me about piousness and the need for a Government of Men to devine God's Will on Earth.  I'm all ears.

Permalink Reply by ITZdaTRUTH on January 26, 2011 at 5:20pm

William Curtis ONeal, to the extent that my assertion that there are "religious nutbags" running rampant on this forum contributed to a deterioration of this ongoing dialogue, I humbly apologize.

 

I would also like to extend an invitation to continue this conversation elsewhere, as I certainly admire your passion, regardless of how off-the-mark I may feel it to be.

 

Please now, stop the name-calling.

 

Ron Paul 2012, because there is no force on Earth as powerful as an idea who's time has come. Liberty is popular!

Permalink Reply by William Curtis ONeal on January 26, 2011 at 6:01pm
ITZdaTRUTH, I  humbly accept your humble apology and extend my own humble apology to the extent that my name calling also contributed to the deterioration of on going dialogue on this site. We need to respectfully agree not to be disagreeable when we dont agree and not call each other names. We all love and cherish individual freedom so lets all debate and contribute toward the goal of saving our nation from Obama and his minions who have nothing but pure evil, slavery and death in mind for us Patriots and I accept your invitation to continue this conversation elsewhere!

 

I would also like to extend an invitation to continue this conversation elsewhere, as I certainly admire .

 

Please now, stop the name-calling.

 

Ron Paul 2012, because there is no force on Earth as powerful as an idea who's time has come. Liberty is popular!

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